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Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 16:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2005 16:20:00 World of Warcraft is a theme park. You go around, and you hop on rides. You do what the game tells you to do. There is no other options. EVE is a playground. You can do whatever you want. There are no rides, no lines. In World of Warcraft, you are strictly limited to following the path Blizzard wants you to follow. You can list the activities a normal player does on one hand. In EVE, you are free. This cannot be stated enough. The other big difference is the death penalty. The only thing in which there is any remote freedom in WoW is the PvP, and since there's no death penalty, there's no point in doing it. You don't get loot from kills or anything. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 18:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Dreez Pro-EVE Devs: . Pro-WoW Devs: Any post that had significant proofs of imbalance and reached a huge number of answers were often/always answered by the Devs. And changes were made if calculations/proofs were correct. Are you serious? Are you saying that the devs in WoW are in any sense better, or even comparable, to the devs in EVE? You are insane, and spoiled, by the quality of developer-player relationship we have here. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 20:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Moridin Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2005 16:20:00 World of Warcraft is a theme park. You go around, and you hop on rides. You do what the game tells you to do. There is no other options. EVE is a playground. You can do whatever you want. There are no rides, no lines. In World of Warcraft, you are strictly limited to following the path Blizzard wants you to follow. You can list the activities a normal player does on one hand. In EVE, you are free. This cannot be stated enough. The other big difference is the death penalty. The only thing in which there is any remote freedom in WoW is the PvP, and since there's no death penalty, there's no point in doing it. You don't get loot from kills or anything. i heard this description in the Fanfest 2005. so im guessing Dark shikari was there also. ok try this. is there or will there be a WOW fanfest? Nope, wasn't there. The original metaphor in my post is as old as EVE itself. It is truly the philosophy behind EVE. The old CCP website had a few things on it about the purpose of EVE and the ideas behind it. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 20:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Noriath Edited by: Noriath on 10/12/2005 20:13:57 Originally by: Exioce i hear WoW is more PvE based. if your mates are into that rather than PvP they'd prefer WoW. I think that's not true, other then in Eve you don't have to constantly grind for money to support your PvP activity, so once you have a good character in WoW you can acctually PvP a lot more without ever touching an NPC then in Eve. There is no PvP in World of Warcraft. World of Warcraft is PvP as much as Counterstrike is PvP. You are not competing for any reward, as enemies do not drop loot. You are not competing for territory, as you cannot control territory at all and there is no benefit for doing so if you could. You are not defeating the enemy in any way except forcing him to respawn. You are not winning anything except a frag point. That isn't PvP. Its Counterstrike with Orcs. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 20:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Noriath Yea, Alliance politics. I think one alliance is named quite aptly to describe them: Not Blue Shoot It This is a common myth. Alliance politics are extremely complex and hellish to sort out. One of my corp members wanted to nominate me for a FIX JCoS, and I ran away like a scared bunny rabbit. The kind of responsibility you get when you become important in alliance politics is astounding. Ask anyone who has been a major leader in EVE, and he'll know exactly what I mean. Or just read a council forum for any major alliance. NBSI is the last alliance whose politics could be called "simplistic." - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 22:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Noriath Hm well, the way Alliances present themselves to the Empire-based population is via videos that show them killing someone at the other end of the galaxy and you're just going: "How the hell did they ever get in a war while being 60 jumps apart, anyways, nice fight..." Go read the corp and alliance forums a bit. And by read, I mean "not the alt flame threads." Quote: I wanted to join an alliance at some point in time, but since there will be a load of new drone skills out I'll hold on to those implants for a while longer I think... You don't have to fight all the time to be in an alliance. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.10 23:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Yurito Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/12/2005 16:20:00 World of Warcraft is a theme park. You go around, and you hop on rides. You do what the game tells you to do. There is no other options. EVE is a playground. You can do whatever you want. There are no rides, no lines. In World of Warcraft, you are strictly limited to following the path Blizzard wants you to follow. You can list the activities a normal player does on one hand. In EVE, you are free. This cannot be stated enough. The other big difference is the death penalty. The only thing in which there is any remote freedom in WoW is the PvP, and since there's no death penalty, there's no point in doing it. You don't get loot from kills or anything. plagiarism is bad for you, mmkay? Did I ever say it was my metaphor? I in fact pointed out later exactly where it was from. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 00:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Filan is there any real "Skill" to an MMORPG pvp kill? ive allways seen it as who has the best gear wins. course maybe EVE pvp is different. Completely different in EVE PvP. Importance (in order, highest is most): Friends Teamwork Intel Ship fitting Skill points - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 01:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Filan is there any real "Skill" to an MMORPG pvp kill? ive allways seen it as who has the best gear wins. course maybe EVE pvp is different. Completely different in EVE PvP. Importance (in order, highest is most): Friends Teamwork Intel Ship fitting Skill points DS, you forgot about Forum after Skill points. Wrong, I'm so good at forum posting that I can post, and a dreadnought will explode in reverence! - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Aornn If they like to PVP i'd tell them to stay the hell out. If agent running and mining is good for them thats different... The way EVE is built you have no chance of hell being competitive in PVP after LONG months of training ship skills only and if you do that then you have marginal chance of surviving versus 30+mill odd combat characters.. Thats a challenge for the devs tho.. how to get new players until saturation point arrives (word gets out, staring new toons is pretty much useless) and not lose veteran players from character devaluation? (ie. new players becoming "too quickly" competitive to veteran players). Did CCP paint themselves into the corner? What the hell are you smoking? Skill points are basically useless and the least important factor in any PvP. They're the last thing anyone should think of. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Skyscorcher Both games have their Strengths. Best thing to do is just give them the 2 week trial, tell them to play it, and then let them decide on what to do when they run out of time. I don't see any strength about WoW. I've tried it many times, and gotten bored out of my mind within 20 minutes. Its a horrible piece of crap dumbed-down leveling MMORPG with an incredibly stupid player population (some exceptions, but few), horrible quests, and PvP that makes me puke. Blizzard: Want to make the game better? Make a player lose all his items when he dies. They drop for someone to pick them up, and half are destroyed, like in EVE. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Vina Quote: Blizzard: Want to make the game better? Make a player lose all his items when he dies. They drop for someone to pick them up, and half are destroyed, like in EVE. That doesn't work in games like Wow. losing all your items is like losing EVERY SHIP and EVERY ITEM you have in eve, in every hanger on every ship. I know. I played Earth and Beyond. That is BECAUSE you don't lose them. If you lost items when you died, it wouldn't be like that, and people wouldn't use uber items all the time. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Noriath Besides, the fact you don't lose anything when you die in WoW isn't what's bad, but the fact that you can only fight your default enemies, have no reason to fight them other then gaining points, and can't do anything to create your own agenda... Well the reason there's nothing to fight for is because: 1) You cannot hurt your enemy. 2) You cannot get loot from your enemy. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:14:00 - [14] Originally by: deathfighter I would rather play morrowind than WOW. I truly don't consider other mmo's as realy online. I actually thought WoW felt more like a gutted version of Morrowind than anything else. Originally by: Noriath Well, that's not entirely correct. There is a ladder system in place in WoW that allows people who compete in PvP often to acquire special armor and weapons, as well as titles for themselves. But who the hell cares? PvP for frags and colored trophies isn't PvP. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Jaik Jermaine the pvp penalty is a double edged sword tho, im turned off by the fact that i cant enjoy pvp without ****ing off my entire corperation. i cant pvp cause my corp isnt ready is bunk If you want PvP without risk, go to the test server. Its quite a lot of fun as a break from normal EVE PvP. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Jaik Jermaine Originally by: Dark Shikari If you want PvP without risk, go to the test server. Its quite a lot of fun as a break from normal EVE PvP. to bad sisi says my account is inactive yet i can log on and off tranq all day and night That's because when the mirror took place, you hadn't paid. Wait for the next mirror, its coming soon. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 17:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Aornn Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers. After that, the game would be pure gravy. :) More like pure crap. Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 19:43:00 - [18] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 19:43:16 Originally by: Skyscorcher Edited by: Skyscorcher on 11/12/2005 19:35:46 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aornn Only thing missing from WOW PVP is DAOC style frontiers. After that, the game would be pure gravy. :) More like pure crap. Any PvP in which you simply respawn when you die is stupid. We're sorry you don't like FPS type game mechanics. We're sorry that you do not like World of Warcraft. We're sorry you think that the player should suffer needlessly upon death. We get it. Go away. I like FPS games. I play Unreal Tournament all the time. However, World of Warcraft is an MMORPG, not an FPS. If it was an FPS, the mechanic it uses would be fine. We're sorry you don't comprehend basic MMORPG mechanics, and the difference between two very different genres. We're sorry that you don't comprehend PvP beyond the idea of "needless suffering after death," like the fact that without any sort of consequence for PvP it might as well not exist. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 20:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Raem Civrie WoW is PvE with PvP tacked onto it. EVE is PvP with PvE tacked onto it. QFT. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 20:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Aornn Like the game or not, atleast it has working game client... Unlike EVE. If you think WoW is more reliable than EVE... - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 22:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Aornn Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aornn Like the game or not, atleast it has working game client... Unlike EVE. If you think WoW is more reliable than EVE... More reliable and runs better too. EVE client needs redcoding from scratch, it doesnt seem to scale proeprly and doesnt seem to be able to run multiple sound-sources properly. I think you are just rabid fanboi. EVE works fine for me. It never crashes, and runs many sounds just fine. I don't see what you're whining about. P.S. World of Warcraft crashes like, once every two hours. The servers go down unexpectedly nearly every day. Its crap. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 23:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Vexoth The majority of the replies here are obviously biased towards Eve because after all, this is the EVE ingameboard. I have a great time playing WoW and both simultaneously. You can train skills in EVE while playing WoW at the same time! This is the best option if you can afford 2 different game subscriptions and 1 mmrpg can't keep your interest. Both games are similar yet different in many ways. One previous poster said that people who play WoW tend to be more immature than EVE players. I find that difficult to be proven. EVE allows players a greater ability to ruin another's game experience through the loss of their ship. I judge my maturity by the number of LOLs in the average sentence. WoW, by that judge, is off the bottom of the scale. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.12 00:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/12/2005 00:04:26 Originally by: Skyscorcher Originally by: Dark Shikari We're sorry you don't comprehend basic MMORPG mechanics, and the difference between two very different genres. We're sorry that you don't comprehend PvP beyond the idea of "needless suffering after death," like the fact that without any sort of consequence for PvP it might as well not exist. The Genres do not matter, these are all games we're talking about. The PVP side of WoW is extremely arcadey and is thus very easy to get in and out of. You can log in, go to Hillsbrad, gank a few noobs (kek), and then log off. PVPing in Eve is a whole other animal, it just requires too much for most people to get into (see : Empire Carebears). Anyhow, it IS your opinion... and that is fine. Still, a good number of all the posts made in this thread have been yours and every single one of them has been about how WoW sucks. We know you hate the game, that is fine. Just move on, you've made your point already. So you have the right to continue posting here, but I don't? Please. Come back when you've got the moderator sticker below your name. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.12 15:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Summersnow Eve contains a lot of content many players won't see. I suspect many of the newbs here praising eve's "do anything you want" atmosphere haven't played with char manager enough to realize how many YEARS of training it will take to get there. There is no profession in EVE that requires more than a month or two of training at most. You don't "need" tech 2 guns to be able to do anything in particular. You are certainly free to do what you want. The only limiting factor is your creativity. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.

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